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WestEndAngler
October 20th, 2010, 03:07 PM
Here's the article below & my response below the Bolded section. I invite anyone passionate about giging to write up a little something and send it on over.

Flounder gigging photo draws complaint
By Joe Kent
Correspondent
Published October 19, 2010

Occasionally, I get letters from readers voicing complaints about one thing or another mentioned in The Reel Report. Some of them, no doubt, likely reflect the views of a good number of other readers. A recent example of this came from a reader in Jamaica Beach. Below are some excerpts from the letter.

“Capt. Kent, I saw the recent photo of you and your partner’s gigged flounder in The Galveston (County) Daily News Reel Report and was quite surprised that you, a professional fishing guide/outdoor reporter-writer, would publish such an event! If you had caught them on rod and reel, and especially on artificial baits, then maybe I could justify your doing such a thing.

All your photo did was to contribute to even more flounder gigging, which should be outlawed in the first place. It ranks right up there with ‘snagging’ Salmon in the NW and Alaska with bare hooks during their run in late summer and ‘grappling’ for catfish with bare hooks below freshwater dams in Texas. Because of flounder gigging, we ‘sportsmen’ who mostly wade fish for the exercise, wildlife and sport have a tough time catching one, two and certainly not five of these flatfish in any one outing.

There is no skill involved in gigging, and it is certainly not sporting. I hope (the) Texas Parks and Wildlife (Department) one day outlaws this practice completely …”

Since the topic of flounder gigging tends to be somewhat controversial, let me explain my views on the subject.

First, the reader does have some good points, and I welcome constructive criticism.

Although there are good points being made, I take issue with the “no skill involved” and concept of eliminating flounder gigging for sports fishermen. Today, there are well-organized groups that want to do away with many forms of sports fishing, including eliminating professional fishing guides for hire, use of croakers as bait and declaring no-fish zones in the Gulf of Mexico. All of these I oppose as we keep whittling away at the rights of sportsmen to freely enjoy their pastime.

My main justification is that Texas has one of the best watchdogs over our stocks of fish in the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department. Yes, there are regulations we might find onerous; however, this group has no reservation in coming forward with recommended regulations to preserve our fish and game.

The Texas Parks and Wildlife Department has taken several steps recently to reduce the number of flatfish taken by gigging. Among the restrictions were eliminating the two-day limit that is allowed for most other fish, reducing the bag limit for all anglers from 10 a day to five and prohibiting gigging during November.

Specifically addressing the flounder gigging complaint, for my friend and me the picture in the paper reflected only the second time I have participated in that sport in my lifetime, and it was his first. Just how many regulars do we have on the gigging scene? It is easy to spot them, as they are on the water at night with bright lights.

Again, I welcome correspondence from readers expressing their disagreements.

Wednesday, I will resume the fishing reports.

To get your catch in the Reel Report, phone Capt. Joe Kent at 409-683-5273, or send an e-mail to reel.report(at)galvnews.com. There’s no charge for this service.




Captain JK-

To the reader in Jamaica Beach:

The West End Anglers would like to disagree with the quoted statement. The statement that flounder giggers do nothing for the flat fish could not be further from the truth. I challenge your reader to what has he done for the fish? Has he donated and /or participated in any TPWD Flounder Restocking Events? Lutes Marine in Chocolate Bayou together with the Sea Center have released over 5,000 flat fish in West Bay and another thousand or so in Sabine Lake... Come to think about about it, your reader had 5,000 dumped into the bay at his back door, Jamaica Beach!

FishWestEnd also participates regularly in these and even holds tournaments designed to bring in the flat fish in and then we transport them for breeding efforts. I have been an avid gigger for years now. The flat fish is on the rise. Each time I walk the flats and see thousands of juvenile flounder I smile knowing that in years to come they will be be of the legal size for any angler to enjoy.

Gigging is often misinterpreted. People think that most go on these fancy boats and run all over the flats looking for the flounder. When in reality most walk in with hand held underwater lights or lanterns and walk on foot a certain area. It takes a trained eye to spot a flounder, more often then not you find them with little ease due to the "imprint" that they leave behind... So fresh sometimes that we can see the lines in the sand from where the fins had been laying. It is no more different to walk a flat along the shoreline then it is to sit at Sea Wolf Park with your lines out hauling in limits during the annual flounder run!

When most people are asleep the giggers are out on the flats and only during certain days! Weather plays a huge roll here. Any wind and the night is basically shot, water clarity etc. None of these factors play into a traditional rod & reel. The difference is we have to see the fish prior to selecting the one to harvest if we can't see it then we can't stab it. Plain & Simple.

The debate will continue but until we as anglers all unite we will continue to be butting heads and losing focus on the real issue and that's preserving the species for years to come.

I'm happy to report that their is a Lutes Marine Tournament scheduled for this weekend where live flounder can be brought in, donated & used in the restocking efforts for West Bay! I encourage anyone seriously concerned about the flounder to come out, meet with the TPWD guys, meet Chester Moore & talk to those that are fighting this battle daily and get properly educated on the REAL condition of the flat fish!

There is another release planned but details have not yet been released.

Sincerely,

Coe Parker
Founder of West End Anglers
www.fishwestend.com

FP10
October 20th, 2010, 03:28 PM
Nice job Coe!

lurefisher
October 20th, 2010, 03:36 PM
Good letter!

jocues
October 20th, 2010, 03:38 PM
Well said Coe!

Muddskipper
October 20th, 2010, 03:55 PM
I dig the reply! .... so much there is no reason for me to fire off an email .....

Capt Joe did nothing illegal nor out of the norm for an avg. angler on the Texas Coast. Some are elitist, some are conservationest, and some just don't get it.

skipp

WestEndAngler
October 20th, 2010, 04:13 PM
Thanks guy upon re-reading you can tell I was racing out the door :D. Captain JK sent me this response: "Thanks Coe, you have some excellent points"

I hope that some of the points I addressed are published.

Ibtsoom
October 20th, 2010, 05:05 PM
Thanks Coe - I was rather dismayed to read this in yesterdays paper. I sent the link to 2112 yesterday hoping he would do much the same as you have done here. Thanks for your letter!! Green to you!!

stingray
October 20th, 2010, 05:15 PM
:iagree: WTG Coe.........you said it all

SCHU
October 20th, 2010, 05:29 PM
Good job, Coe. Somebody has to take a stand and I'm with ya all the way!!!:D:D:D

Baby Tran Cat
October 20th, 2010, 05:59 PM
Only gigging I don't care for is by damn Aggies...

mjh
October 20th, 2010, 06:18 PM
Nice

imhammer
October 20th, 2010, 06:32 PM
Kudos Coe!

2112
October 20th, 2010, 07:50 PM
I couldn't had made a better reply, Coe and thank you very much Mike for bringing it to our attention.
If I was the columnist I wouldn't had even printed the JB authors email/letter as it just adds fuel to a negative perception to begin with.

The way our "Politically Correct" society is going I can easily see gigging becoming illegal in the future due to ignorance and paranoia.

reeltime
October 20th, 2010, 08:18 PM
It's people like this that want to restrict thing that other people find fun including me.There is nothing like hunting flounder with a full moon.Great reply Coe and your support for the flounder restocking as well.Muddskipper is there somebody doing this in the Lower laguna madre?

Ibtsoom
October 20th, 2010, 08:21 PM
There are quite a few interesting comments in the thread below the article in the paper. Seems like most everyone takes the same view as we do here. I guess even mr JB is entitled to his opinion -- however misinformed and ignorant it is..

Muddskipper
October 20th, 2010, 08:58 PM
It's people like this that want to restrict thing that other people find fun including me.There is nothing like hunting flounder with a full moon.Great reply Coe and your support for the flounder restocking as well.Muddskipper is there somebody doing this in the Lower laguna madre?

There is a TPWD facility in Flower Bluff that has started flounder

2112
October 20th, 2010, 09:10 PM
It's people like this that want to restrict thing that other people find fun including me.There is nothing like hunting flounder with a full moon.Great reply Coe and your support for the flounder restocking as well.Muddskipper is there somebody doing this in the Lower laguna madre?

Someone was telling me the other day that "Gigging" is under total ban in the Lower Laguna Madre...has any one else heard of this.

2112
October 20th, 2010, 09:15 PM
Here is the link.
Open>>>http://galvestondailynews.com/story/184458

dbarham
October 20th, 2010, 09:31 PM
Coe you got a way with words bro. Well said and well put!

weather or knott
October 21st, 2010, 07:23 AM
i think it is safe to say you put him in his place Coe. Good work.

Muddskipper
October 21st, 2010, 08:11 AM
Someone was telling me the other day that "Gigging" is under total ban in the Lower Laguna Madre...has any one else heard of this.


NOT true ....

only difference in the LLM, south of the land cut, is a five spec limit

3rd Coast Aggie
October 21st, 2010, 11:03 AM
Only gigging I don't care for is by damn Aggies...

Don't hate!

Great letter Coe!

nokatchin
October 21st, 2010, 11:16 AM
Nice response.

Baby Tran Cat
October 21st, 2010, 11:27 AM
Don't hate!

Great letter Coe!

not hating at all!!! I love Aggies. I think everybody should own one...:D

Joe Madsen
October 21st, 2010, 11:43 AM
Nice point Coe!!

kenny
October 23rd, 2010, 08:33 PM
Dang, I never thought they'd print my letter!:D

TRP150
October 23rd, 2010, 08:56 PM
ignorance is a dangerous thing

great response Coe

corndog
October 23rd, 2010, 09:11 PM
Heres the deal. It is legal to gig flounder!!! If you dont like people gigging flounder then get the law changed. If you dont like the pres of the USA vote his arse out. People need to quit biotching. If they make drinking and driving legal again I am going to do it and dont want to hear people gripping in my ear about things that are legal. The same person references it would have been OK if it was artifical.I geuss anyone chuncking bait is a sinner too in their mind. Oh and how "sportsmen" wade for execise and sport. I dont wadde for exercise I wade because I want to kill something(maybe). Geuss I cant fish out of a boat now. What if I want to fish the gas wells you idiot. Gramps supposes to wade the badlands? Well Geez Louise what a frecking purist you must be. Please enlightened us on how cool you are and how you are the only person that knows how to "really" fish. I am sure this person can not grasp in the pebble they have for a brain that some of us like to wake up every day and go kill something.. I bet that would get them going. Makes me want to just poke em in the eyes like Moe from the Three Stooges. :cowboy2:

2112
October 23rd, 2010, 11:16 PM
Good one, Ray but honestly don't hold back and tell me how you really feel!

JT
October 24th, 2010, 06:49 AM
Is it too early in the morning for me to have a shot of what corndog was drinking last night? Naw....what the hell...serve em up, its only 6:49a.m.!!!

SUPER SPOOK
October 24th, 2010, 09:02 AM
well said Coe!

Sneekypete
October 26th, 2010, 02:43 PM
I'm drinking what Corndog's drinking !!!!!!!!

Robalo
October 27th, 2010, 02:52 PM
Dangit Kenny. Keep your letters to yersef or we's gonna publish maps showing "Kenny's Reef", "Kenny's Island", and "Kenny's wading shoreline"!!

(good one Kenny).

Great response Coe-no way MuddSkipper coulda said that the way you did!! He just woulda said "Farge Off ya Liberal Bastage and I'll also be looking for ya so I can have AP blast through and wake your butt".

Ron R.
November 1st, 2010, 11:31 PM
A-1. Some of my best fishing trips have been gigging with my HS buddy. His teens were spent at Jamaica Beach. We gigged flounder there in the marsh since '75. Old red Coleman lanterns with a reflector and light aluminum handle, cut-offs, a pair of old tennis with yellow fishing stringer laces and a double pointed gig is all we needed to make a night of it.

I have to say we don't get to do it as much as we used to anymore.

Thank you Coe for your excellent response!!!!!!!!!!!